Agents edit a code-managed template's file when they can, and request a change through PostHog Code when they can't

Map: Map: send code-managed email templates with one PostHog call
Spec: Spec: copy-as-code and open-a-PR for code-managed templates (revision 3), section "PostHog AI and the Slack bot (stack B)"

Cast: Opus 5.5, high
Repository: PostHog/posthog (agent skill, page context, evals)
Stack: B, third slice

Question

Does every agent change a code-managed email template where it lives?

An agent that can reach the repository (the user's own coding agent over MCP) edits the file itself.
An agent that can't (PostHog AI in the sidebar, the PostHog bot in Slack, a chat client with no checkout) starts a PR through Request a change: start a PostHog Code task that opens a PR for a code-managed template #513.
No agent updates it through MCP.

Delivers end to end.

Skill. The designing-email-templates skill gains a "Code-managed templates" section, placed before any edit instruction:
- after reading a template, check managed_by;
- for code, never call the update, patch or design tools;
- first choice: when you can reach the template's repository (it's in your workspace, or you can check it out), edit the file at source_path, following change_prompt_context. The next send uploads it. Commit or open a pull request the way the person works;
- only when you cannot reach the repository: call workflows-request-email-template-change with the person's request as instruction, and share the task link;
- on 403 immutable, do the same.
Page context. On a code-managed template page, the attached context the sidebar sends includes managed_by: code, the key and the source, so the agent knows before its first tool call.
Slack. Slack-started runs use the same sandbox agent, skills and MCP tools. Confirm that they load the workflows skills and email template tools. If they don't, record the gap in the PR and on Spec: copy-as-code and open-a-PR for code-managed templates #502; this ticket does not change Slack's tool loading.

Test seams. Evals with the real sandbox agent, in a new or existing suite (/writing-evals), on a seeded project with one code-managed template and one GUI template:

Sidebar on the code-managed template page, "make the button green": the agent calls workflows-request-email-template-change with that request, and never the update, patch or design tools.
A Slack-style message naming the template by name, with no page context: the agent looks it up, sees managed_by: code, and calls the same tool.
The same request on the GUI template: the agent still edits through the patch tool (no regression).
A coding agent in the template's repository (the user's own MCP client): it edits the file and calls neither a template write tool nor workflows-request-email-template-change.
A chat agent with no checkout and no repository tools: it calls workflows-request-email-template-change.

Prior art: products/posthog_ai/evals/ and its AGENTS.md; templateAgentContext.ts and workflowAgentContext.test.ts for page context.

Write scope.

products/workflows/skills/designing-email-templates/SKILL.md.
products/workflows/frontend/TemplateLibrary/templateAgentContext.ts and its test.
The eval suite and its seed.

Proof.

Red: eval case 1 fails before the skill change.
Green: all five cases pass, with run links or transcript excerpts in the PR.
Local:
- in the sidebar on the dev stack, ask for a change on a code-managed template and screenshot the tool call and the task link;
- if the Slack app runs on the dev stack, repeat in a Slack thread; otherwise record that gap.

Acceptance criteria

An agent with repository access edits the file; one without starts a PostHog Code task; none calls a template write tool.
GUI templates keep their current editing path.
Eval results in the PR.

Blockers

Blocked by #513 (the tool the agents call).

How to build (map #461)

/tdd red-green-refactor, outside-in, at the seams named above. Real Postgres, Valkey and ClickHouse; mock only what the seam section allows.
Repo skills apply where the diff touches their area: /writing-tests, /writing-ui-components, /writing-kea-logics, /writing-user-facing-copy, /writing-code-comments, /improving-drf-endpoints, /writing-evals.
Read code from origin/spec/code-managed-templates (the fork's integration branch for feat(messaging): upload, send and lock code-managed email templates PostHog/posthog#118924), not from master.
Public repo: no usage numbers, customer names, internal metrics, Slack content or security reasoning in code, commits or the PR. Fixture addresses use example.com. The private note the map points at is background only; never quote it.
Shipped means a draft PR handed off for review (see the map's Notes for remotes and branches). Never mark ready, enqueue or merge. The conductor names the stack's integration branch.

Held by the conductor: #513 left one decision for Michael (may request_change run from inside a PostHog Code sandbox, which is where PostHog AI and Slack runs come from). This ticket dispatches after his answer.

Decision (Michael, 2026-10-17): keep the rule. request_change refuses calls from inside a PostHog Code sandbox. PostHog AI and Slack runs come from such a sandbox, so for a code-managed template they do not call it. Instead they hand the person the template link, where "Run with PostHog Code" opens the PR in one click. An agent that can reach the repository still edits the file itself.

Runtime: T3 child task
Task: node:delegated-task:command%3Amcp%3A1b2eaa74-4f92-44bb-9856-6c98e457cb24%3Adelegate-task%3Awf-email-impl-515-1
Cast: Opus 5.5, high.

Note

🤖 Opus 5.5 responding on behalf of Michael

Resolution (parked on the eval run)

Landed: df551ee9fb6 on spec/template-request-change (fast-forward 60fb98f06a5..df551ee9fb6).
Branch: spec/template-request-change/515. No PR: the ship ticket #517 opens it.
The range carries the merge of stack A's shipped tip 0960e3de116 (85da5752479), then two commits.

Important

One question for Michael. The eval suite is written, discovered by the harness, and unit-tested, but it has never run. This devbox has no BRAINTRUST_API_KEY or LLM_GATEWAY_ANTHROPIC_API_KEY, and no Modal credentials (preflight log). #466 shipped with the same gap. So the ticket's eval red and green are missing. Put the two keys in this devbox's .env so I run the suite red (old skill) and green, or let #517 run it where the keys exist?

What landed

Skill (designing-email-templates): a "Code-managed templates" section before any edit instruction, and a pointer to it from step 1 of "Editing a template".

Read the template and check managed_by.
For code, never call workflows-update-email-template or workflows-patch-email-template.
Change the file where it lives, first case that fits:
- can reach the repository: edit source_path, following change_prompt_context; commit or open a PR the way the person works;
- runs inside PostHog Code (PostHog AI in the app or in Slack, any PostHog Code task; the shell has POSTHOG_TASK_RUN_ID): do not call workflows-request-email-template-change, which refuses there. Share the template link: "Edit with your agent", then "Run with PostHog Code";
- anyone else without the repository (a chat app over MCP): call the request tool with the person's words, no extra confirmation, and share task_url. On a refusal, relay detail and fix and share the link.
403 immutable means the same thing.

The description now also triggers on "a template managed by code".

Page context (templateAgentContext.ts, wired in MessageTemplate.tsx): on a code-managed template's page the sidebar attaches:

untrusted email_template <id> ("<name>");
untrusted, hidden email_template_source: "managed_by: code; key: …; source_repository: …; source_path: …; source_ref: …" (fields the template lacks are left out);
a static trusted instruction: load the skill and follow the section, never update or patch, and without the repository in the workspace don't call the request tool, point at the page's buttons;
the skill chip.

Before this, a saved template's page attached no context at all. Any other template still attaches nothing. The new-template composer is unchanged.

Tool text: workflows-request-email-template-change now says it refuses calls from inside PostHog Code, where PostHog AI and the Slack bot run, and to share the template link there. hogli build:openapi regenerated the two tool-definition files.

Evals (products/workflows/evals/, suite workflows/eval_code_managed_templates, experiment sandboxed-workflows-code-managed-templates-cli): a seeded team with one code-managed and one GUI template, all data invented.

Case	Prompt	Scored by
`sidebar_on_code_managed_page`	the page's context block (built from the seed) + "Make the button green."	no write attempt on the code-managed template, no request-tool attempt, final reply links the template
`slack_message_names_code_managed_template`	Slack origin, names the template, no context	same
`gui_template_still_patched`	same request on the GUI template	a successful update or patch on it, no request-tool attempt

Every case also requires workflows-get-email-template. The write and request scorers count attempts, because both refuse in this situation and a successful-calls-only scorer would miss the wrong choice.

Harness (two small, generic changes, needed by the suite):

SandboxedEvalCase.prompt_from_seed: builds the first prompt from the setup result. The sidebar case needs the seeded template id in its context block. The agent and the scorers get the built prompt.
The eval MCP server forces workflows-transactional-email-api on. Without it, the MCP server hides the email template tools, while Django already serves them.

Proof

Logs are on assets/template-request-change-515.

Red:

page context: 5 failed, 2 passed. buildCodeManagedTemplateContext doesn't exist yet.

harness: the agent got the static prompt.

E   AssertionError: 'Change the - seeded template'  'Change the template + tpl-7'
1 failed, 10 passed

Eval case 1 on the old skill: not run (see the question).

Mutation: putting source_path into the trusted instruction fails "keeps the uploaded key and source out of the trusted instructions" (log).

Green:

Seam	Result
`templateAgentContext.test.ts`: the block the sidebar sends, rendered by `wrapWithPosthogContext`	7 passed
every `TemplateLibrary` suite	8 suites, 106 passed
harness seeded prompt; scorers on synthetic logs; seeder on a real DB, plus a real design patch of the GUI template's button through the API	10 passed
`hogli evals --list`	lists `workflows/eval_code_managed_templates::eval_code_managed_templates [sandboxed]`

Local gate on the landed tree:

uv run mypy --cache-fine-grained . through fleet heavy: no issues in 24130 files.
tsgo --noEmit --checkers 1 through fleet heavy: exit 0.
products/messaging/backend: 408 passed. This covers the stack A merge's backend side.
posthog/test/repo_invariants, test_mcp_tool_definitions.py, all of eval_harness/test: 1200 passed.
MCP lint-tool-names, tool schema snapshots, generate-tools and instructions: 177 passed.
hogli lint:skills: pass, nothing flagged for workflows. ruff, oxfmt clean. hogli build:openapi: exit 0, output committed.
Pre-push hogli ci:preflight --strict: "failures": 0.

Gaps

Eval runs: the question above.
Two cases the harness can't build:
- Case 4, an agent in the template's repository: every sandboxed case clones posthog/hedgebox, and repo_fixture is informational only.
- Case 5, a chat agent outside PostHog Code: every eval agent runs in a PostHog Code sandbox, where the route refuses by your decision.
The skill states both branches. The route's success path is Request a change: start a PostHog Code task that opens a PR for a code-managed template #513's test.
Sidebar run on the dev stack: not run. PostHog AI needs a sandbox and the same missing gateway key. The page context's proof is the rendered block in the jest test.
Slack: checked in code, not live. Slack-started runs are PostHog Code tasks with the same skill bundle and MCP server. Their slack MCP consumer only drops UI-app payloads (process_task/utils.py, mcp_consumer). So Slack loads the workflows skill and the email template tools. Nothing to record on Spec: copy-as-code and open-a-PR for code-managed templates #502.

Calls made

Sandbox detection by environment, not identity. Eval and Slack runs don't carry the PostHog AI system prompt, so "you are PostHog AI" alone is unreliable. The skill names the POSTHOG_TASK_RUN_ID variable every sandbox sets.
A code-managed template's page now attaches context; other saved templates still don't. That is the smallest change the ticket needs. Context for every saved template would be a separate change.
The source rides one untrusted, hidden value item. Keyed items render only type, key and label, so managed_by and the source need their own line. The trusted instruction refers to it by name and quotes no uploaded value.
The request tool's description changed (it is Request a change: start a PostHog Code task that opens a PR for a code-managed template #513's text) because a Slack agent without the skill reads only the tool text. One added sentence.
The eval seeds the code-managed row directly, not through the upload route. An upload needs a verified sender and creates a workflow, and the agent's behavior reads only the ownership fields.
The sidebar case's context block is a copy of the frontend strings, with a comment that names both source files. Reading the TypeScript from Python would be cross-language scraping.
No review here. Ship stack B: request a change through PostHog Code #517 owns qa-swarm.
Process slip: the first push of the assets branch used --no-verify. I deleted that branch and pushed it again with the hooks ("failures": 0). The integration branch push always ran the hooks.

Follow-ups

Ship stack B: request a change through PostHog Code #517: run the eval suite once keys are available, and add a fixture-repository option to the harness if case 4 should be proven end to end.
Ship stack B: request a change through PostHog Code #517 / Docs: change a code-managed template with an agent, PostHog Code or PostHog AI, and where source details come from #507: the docs page can say that PostHog AI and Slack hand over the template link instead of starting the task.
The page context and the eval copy of it must change together. A shared fixture could replace the copy if the strings start moving.

No description provided.

Note

🤖 Opus 5.5 responding on behalf of Michael

Resolution

Landed: df551ee9fb6 on spec/template-request-change (fast-forward 60fb98f06a5..df551ee9fb6).
The range is the merge of stack A's shipped tip 0960e3de116 (85da5752479), then fbbbe6ac4f1 (harness) and df551ee9fb6 (skill, page context, tool text, evals).
No PR: ship ticket #517 opens it and carries the eval gap into the PR body.
Michael chose to record the evals as a gap and close this ticket.

The previous comment describes what landed in detail. In short:

Skill: a "Code-managed templates" section in designing-email-templates. Agents never update or patch a code-managed template. Instead they:
- edit the file when they can reach the repository;
- inside PostHog Code (PostHog AI, Slack, any task; POSTHOG_TASK_RUN_ID is set), share the template link instead of calling the request tool;
- otherwise call workflows-request-email-template-change.
Page context: a code-managed template's page sends the template, its key and source as untrusted items, plus a static instruction.
Tool text: the request tool says it refuses calls from inside PostHog Code.
Evals: suite workflows/eval_code_managed_templates, three cases: sidebar, Slack message, GUI template.
Harness: SandboxedEvalCase.prompt_from_seed, and the eval MCP server forces workflows-transactional-email-api on.

Proof

Logs: assets/template-request-change-515.

	Result
Red, page context	`5 failed, 2 passed`: the builder doesn't exist
Red, harness	`1 failed`: the agent got the static prompt
Mutation	the uploaded `source_path` in the trusted instruction fails the leak test
Green, page context	7 passed; all `TemplateLibrary` suites 106 passed
Green, harness, scorers, seeder (real DB, plus a real design patch of the GUI template)	10 passed
`hogli evals --list`	lists `workflows/eval_code_managed_templates::eval_code_managed_templates [sandboxed]`

Local gate on the landed tree:

mypy repo-wide: clean.
tsgo --checkers 1: exit 0.
Messaging backend: 408 passed.
Repo invariants, MCP tool definitions and the eval harness: 1200 passed.
MCP checks: 177 passed.
hogli lint:skills, ruff and oxfmt: clean.
hogli build:openapi: committed.
Pre-push ci:preflight --strict: 0 failures.

Gap: the evals have never run

The suite is written, discovered by the harness, and unit-tested (scorers, seeder, seeded prompt). It has never run against a real agent.
This devbox has no BRAINTRUST_API_KEY, no LLM_GATEWAY_ANTHROPIC_API_KEY and no Modal credentials. The preflight stops before any infrastructure boots (log).
So there is no eval red on the old skill and no eval green. The ticket's live checks are missing too: the sidebar run on the dev stack and a Slack thread.

Running it where the keys exist, from a checkout of spec/template-request-change at or after df551ee9fb6, in a flox shell:

# Green: all three cases.
hogli evals eval_code_managed_templates            # Docker
hogli evals eval_code_managed_templates --provider modal

# Red: the skill before this ticket.
git checkout 85da5752479 -- products/workflows/skills/designing-email-templates/SKILL.md
hogli evals eval_code_managed_templates --eval slack_message_names_code_managed_template
git checkout HEAD -- products/workflows/skills/designing-email-templates/SKILL.md

The Slack case is the clean red: it has no page context, so only the skill and the tool text steer it.
The sidebar case's prompt carries a copy of the new page instruction. Its red also needs _CODE_MANAGED_PAGE_INSTRUCTION and the email_template_source line removed from sidebar_prompt_on_code_managed_page.
Read the transcript path on the last line of each run, then the case's .summary.txt and scorer metadata.

Not buildable in this harness, recorded for #517:

Case 4, an agent in the template's repository: every case clones posthog/hedgebox, and repo_fixture is informational.
Case 5, a chat agent outside PostHog Code: every eval agent runs in a PostHog Code sandbox, where the route refuses.

Slack (checked in code, not live): Slack-started runs are PostHog Code tasks with the same skill bundle and MCP server. Their slack MCP consumer only drops UI-app payloads. Nothing to record on #502.

Calls made

Sandbox detection by environment, not identity. The skill names the POSTHOG_TASK_RUN_ID variable every sandbox sets. Eval and Slack runs don't carry the PostHog AI system prompt.
Page context only for code-managed templates. A saved template's page attached no context before. Other templates still attach none.
The source rides one untrusted, hidden item. Keyed items render only type, key and label. The trusted instruction refers to the item by name and quotes no uploaded value.
One sentence added to Request a change: start a PostHog Code task that opens a PR for a code-managed template #513's request tool description, because a Slack agent without the skill reads only the tool text.
The eval seeds the code-managed row directly, not through the upload route. An upload needs a verified sender and creates a workflow, and the behavior under test reads only the ownership fields.
Scorers count attempts. The write tools and the request tool both refuse in these cases, so a successful-calls-only scorer would miss the wrong choice.
The sidebar case's context block is a copy of the frontend strings, with a comment that names both source files. Reading the TypeScript from Python would be cross-language scraping.
Two small harness changes (prompt_from_seed, the MCP flag override), both generic and tested.
No review here. Ship stack B: request a change through PostHog Code #517 owns qa-swarm.
Process slip: the first push of the assets branch used --no-verify. I deleted that branch and pushed it again with the hooks ("failures": 0). The integration branch push ran the hooks.

Follow-ups

Ship stack B: request a change through PostHog Code #517: carry the eval gap into the PR body. Run the suite red and green where the keys exist, with the commands above.
Ship stack B: request a change through PostHog Code #517: a fixture-repository option in the eval harness would let case 4 run end to end.
Docs: change a code-managed template with an agent, PostHog Code or PostHog AI, and where source details come from #507: the docs can say that PostHog AI and the Slack bot hand over the template link instead of starting the task.
The page context in templateAgentContext.ts and its copy in the eval change together. A shared fixture can replace the copy if the strings start to move.

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Agents edit a code-managed template's file when they can, and request a change through PostHog Code when they can't #515

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Silthus commented on Oct 17, 2026

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